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Jan 23, 2016 20:55:52 GMT
Post by davidnn5 on Jan 23, 2016 20:55:52 GMT
I don't have a better place to put this as it seems my access to other parts of the forum went along with my guild membership.
I admit to having an amused sense of irony at a process of being kicked from the Guild, as a contributor of quite a few points, while actually online, by someone who logs in weekly or less. It seems as a person who has played daily for more than the last year, but doesn't forum (my preference being to actually talk to people when they ask questions, not lurk forum posts), I don't fit the mould. Alas.
I have to question the worth of my having contributed points given the above. However, don't take this as saltiness, just a comment that you may find useful to consider in terms of future actions. Actually I'd kind of been hoping to cop a kick to spur me into finding a better place as realistically, Flammen was the only guy I mapped with much and IMO the stash rules, like in many Guilds, just stifle people getting upgrades to gear during levelling, particularly newer players.
Off to greener pastures!
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Jan 23, 2016 21:53:19 GMT
Post by Cidira on Jan 23, 2016 21:53:19 GMT
This is your friendly reminder that guild members are required to POST in the forum exactly ONCE, when asking to join the guild. After that, all you have to do is have logged into the forum within the last month when a cull is done -- which hadn't happened since about April, iirc (correction: August). Members who have forgotten to log in for a while before an inactive cull can be reinvited without making any new posts either, only logging in, and we've handled a few of those already. (Ideally, of course, members will actually look at the announcements section, at the very least, since there is literally no place in-game to put information more than about 40 characters long where any guild member can see it regardless of when they are able to log in to the game.)
Stash rules will change when GGG fixes guild stashes; no one can get gear upgrades to level with from a stash that is constantly looted by people looking to vendor the stuff for alts, either, which is exactly what happened in Talisman SC until the stash was locked, and is most likely the reason why the Talisman SC stash is so empty now, since after that many people expressed unhappiness with having put useable leveling gear in there instead of vendoring it themselves only to have someone else come along and take it (in quantities much too large to be people who wanted to use it).
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Jan 24, 2016 2:16:48 GMT
Post by davidnn5 on Jan 24, 2016 2:16:48 GMT
I wasn't necessarily looking to start a debate, but...
As to your first point - yes, I understood that, but perhaps you weren't talking to me and were instead broadcasting to anyone who may read this. Like I said, I was online when a certain person said 'anyone who hasn't logged in recently will be kicked and no I'm not asking anyone to log now to avoid being kicked'. Translation: eh, bored, let's get some people annoyed. Approach is often as important as results (again, not that I'm offended, but I know some were; I will always be disinterested in logging to yet another third party site).
As to GGG 'fixing' stashes - I don't think proper stash logging is going to turn out to be the panacea that many hope. There will always be that guy who joins just to loot as quickly as possible knowing he'll be kicked; and that guy will probably get crafty after a while and do a rotation of requests to officers to get things (or other members) to help hide their tracks. "hey, do you mind grabbing that X before someone else does, I just realised it's useful to my build but I'm mid map and low on portals"... 4% of the population are sociopaths. PoE appeals to the sociopathic mentality.
At the end of the day, you have to take the approach that anything you put in a stash can and may be used. An empty stash is proof of use, even if that use is converting into alts; a full stash is proof only of potential (potential which is hampered by limited numbers of officers available to facilitate people using things when they want them. Officers who by the way may also right now be making bucks by selling off the best items that go into the stash).
You either choose to trust everyone or no one. You will never have full knowledge of an item's disposition.
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Jan 24, 2016 2:42:56 GMT
Post by Samkiud on Jan 24, 2016 2:42:56 GMT
I don't have a better place to put this as it seems my access to other parts of the forum went along with my guild membership. I admit to having an amused sense of irony at a process of being kicked from the Guild, as a contributor of quite a few points, while actually online, by someone who logs in weekly or less. It seems as a person who has played daily for more than the last year, but doesn't forum (my preference being to actually talk to people when they ask questions, not lurk forum posts), I don't fit the mould. Alas. I have to question the worth of my having contributed points given the above. However, don't take this as saltiness, just a comment that you may find useful to consider in terms of future actions. Actually I'd kind of been hoping to cop a kick to spur me into finding a better place as realistically, Flammen was the only guy I mapped with much and IMO the stash rules, like in many Guilds, just stifle people getting upgrades to gear during levelling, particularly newer players. Off to greener pastures! There are few things to consider here, and this is where I express my feelings about certain people that join OPA. I once got tired of dealing with this kind of cases but I'll just give my opinion. Your profile is of that-typical-guy who joined OPA, make a real money contribution and then feel free to break the rules and basic principles of the guild because they think they are somehow privileged. I don't know why they do that, but I'd like to. I will take this chance to ask you. When you read the recruitment thread it clearly states the requirements and the principles of the guild, and among those, the following: Bolds mine.
Bolds mine.Once you accepted these terms you created an application thread, and when the corresponding Officer approved it, you did read the guild rules, which states: And again, you agreed because you stayed. (again, not that I'm offended, but I know some were; I will always be disinterested in logging to yet another third party site). Again, why you requested to join OPA when you foreknew that it is a requirement to login here regularly in order to stay in the guild and you don't like that? |
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Jan 24, 2016 2:49:05 GMT
Post by aStrayGami on Jan 24, 2016 2:49:05 GMT
Actually, I have given a warning in chat that there will be a cull soon several times over more than the last 7 days and have given one 30 minutes before i started putting inactives down on my spreadsheet so no, it wasn't just to annoy some people. I do remember saying something along the lines of "it's too late" to somebody which was because I had already started and wasn't going to go through the member list again. Even so, while i was going through my list and kicking members, i checked the last log-in date on most, if not all of the accounts and took those who have logged in since then off the list.
Since you were kicked, you must have not logged in for who knows how long. That's your responsibility only and it applies to everyone (except those who can't be kicked due to GGG's donation system).
I wanted to treat everybody equally since I had to go through around 135 accounts to put them into the correct group and clean up the member list. I'm not going to be treating members differently just because they have donated and some (looks like this includes you) will not agree with me on this. It's a "donation". You shouldn't be expecting anything back for that. Especially being allowed to ignore one of the guilds basic rules.
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Jan 24, 2016 4:52:33 GMT
Post by Cidira on Jan 24, 2016 4:52:33 GMT
Like I said, I was online when a certain person said 'anyone who hasn't logged in recently will be kicked and no I'm not asking anyone to log now to avoid being kicked'. Translation: eh, bored, let's get some people annoyed. Approach is often as important as results Translation: I don't read the forums and I turn chat off a lot, so I assumed that something that was a) overdue (it had been over 5 months and we were close to full), and b) announced multiple times several days in advance, both in-game and on the forum, was actually someone being a dick instead of scheduled guild maintenance. Seriously, I had a generally good opinion of you as a knowledgeable player and sometimes a valuable contributor to the chat, but I am 300% done with people who can't be bothered to LOG IN to a website ONCE A MONTH, particularly when persistent logins means that most people will only need to VISIT the damn site and not even remember a username and password, and THEN get bent out of shape when they sometimes have to ask to be let back in, particularly given how infrequent the culls have been. (That doesn't apply to those of you out there who forget to log in and then politely ask what happened and whether you can get a re-invite... but please try to remember to log in, guys, there is still no place in-game to put announcements and you WILL miss important things. Not that the people who need to read that will read it here. -.-) Also, I agree, a log alone won't solve stash problems. A real guild stash management system, like the one on the other game I've played that has guild stashes, will have at least one other layer of protection, like a limitation on how many items one member can withdraw in one day (among other things). Systems like that still can't prevent all potential abuse, because nothing can, but they really cut down on the possibility of one member cleaning out the stash in a short time. If it were up to me, I'd like to see a few more fully open tabs, at least one level of tabs somewhere in between fully open and fully officer-locked, and at least 2 or 3 levels of access to those tabs... but only the first thing on that list can be addressed with the current system. (A real stash management system would also let the guild leader designate other people to be able to muck with the stash tabs, too, ugh.) |
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